it’s not that i think “gay people should shut up about the Holocaust,” it’s about recognizing what kind of relationship you have to the Holocaust
for Romani and Jewish people, the Holocaust constitutes a kind of generational trauma – the Holocaust today continues to be a presence in our families and communities. in my experience, if you’re Jewish, you either have family members who were killed in the Holocaust or you’re close to a lot of people who do. the Holocaust is also presently used, on a large scale, to terrorize us as part of our oppression.
it is a part of our consciousness and a part of our lives in a way that does not happen on the basis of being disabled or on the basis of being gay.
if you are gay or disabled but not Jewish or Romani, your relationship to the Holocaust is “i might have been affected by the Holocaust if i had been there.” if you are Jewish, your relationship to the Holocaust is “i am affected by the Holocaust.”
and that’s why y’all can produce Holocaust discourse just as bad as any other non-Romani gentiles, and why you need to be just as aware of that as they do.
(pls refrain from reblogging)
i lied this is fine to reblog
I hope this comparison helps some people understand on an emotional level:
If you’re lgbt in America, you probably feel the generational trauma of the AIDS crisis. Compare that to how you feel about and relate to the Holocaust. If you’re a non-Romani gentile who feels that generational trauma about the AIDS crisis, you’ll recognize that your relation to the Holocaust is different. For the AIDS crisis, you feel the loss of your generation, the generation above you, or the one above that. You likely know people with HIV today. You may have lost people to it. You fear it’s resurgence and you feel the pain of what your country did to you or those before you. For the Holocaust, you likely feel sad for those who were lost. Scared it could happen again in your lifetime and affect you this time. But it doesn’t feel as close. You didn’t lose a whole generation to it like you did AIDS. That’s the difference. Feel that difference and acknowledge your relationship to the Holocaust is NOT comparable to Romani and Jewish people’s.
i don’t know if i really agree with this comparison. I don’t know if you’re Jewish or not, but if you aren’t, i also especially don’t need you to interpret my posts
(would prefer if people didn’t reblog this version of the post thx)
a very special shoutout to the LGBT gentiles on this post who assume that Jewish people are obviously so Other that i couldn’t possibly be gay or disabled (hint: i am both)
wait so only Jews get generational trauma.. no gays no trans, nothing else?? I don’t mean to pry like this but you make yourself sound like a joke and an asshole when you say stupid shit like this.
“so only Jews get generational trauma“
this reaction image straight up killed them
Sorry to butt in, but by intergenerational trauma in the Jewish community we’re talking literal trauma from growing up with parents/relatives with PTSD. Besides the loss of family, culture, and language, having parents and a community that survived genocide creates biological changes that are passed down.
No doubt AIDs was (and is still) horrifying, and I think it was certainly significant in terms of loss of a generation and culture, but young LGBTQ folks probably aren’t inheriting AIDs-related trauma from their parents. I’m sure there’s PTSD present in LGBTQ populations for other reasons though…like homophobia and transphobia happening right now.
Intergenerational trauma like this has (I think) also been documented in African American communities as a result of slavery/Jim Crow/racism, but that merits a post of its own. Other groups that have experienced genocides also would likely have similar inherited trauma, but I haven’t personally seen any studies on, say, the Rohingya genocide because it’s still ongoing. I mean it took decades to get research on the Holocaust, and I don’t think most Holocaust survivors (and their descendants) I know have access to sufficient psychological help… We’re still angry about the Holocaust because it can’t be fixed, no one’s even trying hard enough, and what happened to never again?? (both antisemitism and further genocides across the globe)
attack on titan is not worth caring about and i am deeply disturbed by its existence. not because of the vore. not because of the gore. but because i am caught up with the manga and know where it goes.
and here is my personal advice: if attack on titan is your big thing and you are not caught up on the manga, just…start looking at other series. try. you might not be completely crushed by the things that end up happening but
not worth it. it is not worth it to care deeply about or defend, there is not really any defending the horrible things it does…do not feel the need to defend it because you love it. please examine it critically if you are caught up and just accept that horrible awful terrible fucking decisions were made. i will not be a ball of anger at anyone who still is entertained but
do not defend it. there is no way to defend writing a story about shocking horrible violent vore for the sake of shock and horror and having it be about what it is
season 2 is coming out and if you watch it please…do not keep your hopes up for the rest of the series even if the season is well-made. i have no idea how far it will animate this time but i have reason to doubt that the entire manga will be animated or that it will be animated faithfully.
and i sure fucking hope it does not, or that at least it does and it gets enough backlash to open up conversation…
anyway below the cut is spoilers for the ENTIRE SERIES
I learned today that it’s estimated that about ½ of 1% of the world’s population identifies as Jewish
And I know that there’s estimates that something like 1% of the human population is asexual
So that means that while there are fewer people in the world who practice Judaism than there are asexuals, there are legitimately still people out there who don’t think aces exist and that just fucking blows my mind
…what
?????????
posts like this that use the size of our population as a rhetorical device always amaze me bc like. do u. do u know. do u know why there r so few of us. do u know why that is
I feel like maybe…. there were a lot of us… before something happened. like, a historical event, what was it called
You know how people always say that we (Americans) learn about the Holocaust in public school because it was a white people killing white people genocide? And then they use that to point to the fact that our education system/curriculum is painfully inadequate at showing non-western European history. And while that is obviously true (that our education system focuses on Western European history to the exclusion of the rest of the world), we REALLY don’t learn about the Holocaust.
All we learn is that it happened and that people were murdered starved to death or contracted typhus and died (looking at you John Green). We really don’t learn about the details of the what, why, and how the Holocaust happened. We don’t learn about the other groups of victims. Except as a footnote where they’re referred to by a slur.
We don’t learn about the resistance movements: the partisan movements, the ghetto uprisings, the uprisings in the actual concentration camps. We don’t learn about the rise of the Nazi Party (other than that the economic destruction and devastation of Germany following WWI somehow made for fertile ground for the Nazi party; as if hundreds of years of institutionalized antisemitism had NOTHING to do with it). We don’t learn about the Damascus affair or the Dreyfus affair. We don’t learn about the pogroms.
We don’t learn about how the Holocaust reached all the way into North Africa and the Middle East. We don’t learn the connection between the Holocaust and Farhud. Because they’re somehow not connected? Even though the German embassy in Iraq published and promoted antisemitic materials translated into Arabic. Materials like, you know, Mein Kampf. Even though Hitler publicly voiced his support of Iraqi nationalists. Even though the Farhud occurred in June of 1941 and the Holocaust occurred from the institution of the Nuremberg Law in 1935 to the liberation of the camps in 1945.
We NEVER learn about the aftermath of the Holocaust. We never learn about the camps for displaced persons. Because they couldn’t “go back to Poland.” All their property and homes had been taken by their gentile neighbors. We never learn about European and North American countries turning away Holocaust survivors by the boat load. We never learn about how the British limited Jewish immigration into Palestine and would send any “illegally” smuggled Jewish survivors whom they caught into a new DP camp on Cyprus (because both Palestine and Cyprus were under British control at the time).
We never learn about the 4.500 Jewish survivors on the ship “Exodus” who were fired upon by British troops when the were closely outside of Palestine; killing and wounding Jewish Holocaust survivors. The British threatened to sink that ship. And they returned all those Holocaust survivors back to Europe, where they were forcibly carried off the boat by British troops.
So we learn that the Holocaust happened, but we don’t really learn about the Holocaust.
To be fair the Palestinians weren’t big fans of the Jews arriving in mass but that didn’t stop them at all, so…. I do t really care if the British wouldn’t let all of them in. Though the point of this post is not lost its also important to mention that Israel is essentially following many of the Nazi tactics. Now it’s just against Palestinians.
“Jews arriving in mass” … Yes. AS REFUGEES FROM A GENOCIDE WHO WERE SEEKING ASYLUM BECAUSE NO OTHER COUNTRY WOULD TAKE THEM IN. BECAUSE THEIR HOMES AND FAMILIES WERE GONE.
Do you know that the British also fucked over the Palestinians? Or do you not really care about that? Or do you only care when people are victimized, killed, shot at, and displaced when it fits in with your myopic view of the world?
I mean, I’m so happy that I now know that you, a 20 year old non-Jewish, non-Palestinian guy from Ohio doesn’t care that the British didn’t let Jewish refugees who were living in DP camps into British controlled Palestine. I’m so happy that you, a 20 year old non-Jewish, non-Palestinian guy from Ohio thinks it’s important to “mention that Israel is essentially following many of the Nazi tactics. Now it’s just against Palestinians.”
So, thank you for your invaluable addition. Your use of tact, your amazingly accurate comparisons, and your complete, objective, and factual knowledge of history is unparalleled.
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